Affen zum Menschen: das glauben nur Affen, aber keine Menschen.
Charles Darwin in einer
der Mensch vom Affen ab? Charles Darwin mit seiner
Affen-Theorie ganz bestimmt. So auch alle anderen Darwinisten,
deren Bewußtsein auf der Stufe von Affen stehengeblieben
Darwin hat einen Bart. Hatte er immer schon. Aber irgendwie
sieht er für junge Leute wohl so affig aus, dass
sich viele von ihnen die Reaktion seiner Zeitgenossen
vor 150 Jahren zu eigen machen: "Der Mensch stammt
vom Affen ab? Sie vielleicht - ich nicht!"
Darwin behauptete 1871, der Mensch stamme vom Affen
ab. Damit stellte er jenes Schema auf den Kopf, wonach
der von Gott engelgleich erschaffene Mensch durch die
Sünde zu Fall kam. Darwin kehrte den "Abstieg
von den Engeln" um in einen "Aufstieg von
den Affen", machte aus einer eher schmeichelhaften
"Devolution" eine ernüchternde "Evolution".
Noch immer fühlen sich Menschen hierdurch in ihrer
ist der Konflikt zwischen den atheistischen Darwinisten und
religiösen Gottesmännern so alt wie Darwins Thesen
verurteilen die Evolutionstheorie von Charles Darwin. Sie
nehmen die Schöpfungsgeschichte aus der Bibel wörtlich,
nämlich das der Mensch von Gott abstamt, Gott erschuf
den Menschen nach Seinem eigenen Bild.
Kreationismus (von lat. creare erschaffen) vertritt
die Auffassung, dass die Heiligen Schriften die tatsächliche
Entstehung von Leben im Universum beschreiben. Der Kreationismus
erklärt, dass die Erschaffung der Welt und des Menschen
den unmittelbaren Eingriff eines Schöpfergottes vorraussetzt.
Charles Darwin die Menschheit vor 140 Jahren in eine Sinnkrise
stürzte, als er sie vom Thron der Arten holte, hatte
Homo sapiens genug Zeit, sich mit seiner äffischen Verwandtschaft
anzufreunden. Die menschliche Ur-Frage - Woher kommen wir?
- ist dadurch nicht weniger interessant geworden."
24. November 1859 stürzt Darwin mit der Veröffentlichung
"Über die Entstehung der Arten oder Das Erhaltenbleiben
der begünstigten Rassen im Ringen um die Existenz"
die bisher geltenden Vorstellungen von der Unabänderlichkeit
der Arten und vor allem der des Menschen um.
entwickelt die Hypothese, dass alle Arten, also auch der Mensch,
eine gemeinsame Abstammung haben und sich erst im Laufe eines
Entwicklungsprozesses differenziert und verändert haben.
Entwicklung und Veränderung der einzelnen Arten erklärt
Darwin aus den Erfordernissen des Existenzkampfes. Nur jene
Arten und Eigenschaften der Arten werden ausgelesen und bleiben
erhalten, die der jeweiligen Umgebung am besten angepasst
welcher Form die Weitervererbung bzw. Erhaltung der lebensnotwendigen
Eigenschaften erfolgt, kann Darwin nicht erklären.
Reaktionen auf das Buch Darwins waren prompt. Seine Theorie
wird in der Öffentlichkeit heftig diskutiert und angegriffen.
Gläubige verdammen die Darwinsche Theorie als Atheismus,
weil sie der Schöpfungsgeschichte der Bibel widerspricht.
Doch auch in weniger orthodoxen Kreisen und bei einem Großteil
der Wissenschaftler stößt die Theorie der Abstammung
des Menschen von niederen Amphibien- und Tierarten sowie seine
Verwandtschaft mit dem Affen auf heftigen Widerstand. In
zahlreichen Karikaturen und Besprechungen werden Darwin und
seine Evolutionstheorie in der Öffentlichkeit als "Affentheorie"
verunglimpft und lächerlich gemacht.
Attacke auf Darwin
gibt es höchste kirchliche Weihen für die göttliche
Schöpfungslehre: Das Oberhaupt der russisch-orthodoxen
Kirche bekennt sich öffentlich zum Kreationismus, zweifelt
Darwins Evolutionslehre an - und Tausende klatschen Beifall.
"Wer glauben will, dass er vom Affen
soll das ruhig tun": Patriarch Alexi predigte gegen
im Kreml klatschten Beifall, als der Patriarch gegen den Darwinismus
wetterte. "Wer glauben will, dass er vom Affen
abstammt, soll das ruhig tun. Aber er darf diese Ansichten
niemand anderem aufzwingen", sagte Alexi II.,
das Oberhaupt der russisch-orthodoxen Kirche, bei einem Vortrag
vor großem Publikum. Neben der Evolutionstheorie solle
an russischen Schulen auch die biblische Schöpfungsgeschichte
gelehrt werden, forderte er.
Urknall, keine Evolution
Alexi verlieh der biblischen Schöpfungsgeschichte die
höchsten theologischen Weihen in Russland. Die Kreationisten
sehen den biblischen Bericht von Gottes Erschaffung der Welt
als belegbar an. Ihr Weltbild kennt keinen Urknall als Ausgangspunkt
des Universums und keine Entwicklung der Lebensformen auf
der Erde über Millionen Jahre.
Evolutionslehre als Relikt der Sowjetideologie entlarvt.
Von den USA aus haben die Kreationisten in vielen Ländern
ihre Attacken auf Darwins Evolutionslehre gestartet. Doch
in Russland findet der abstruse Streit unter besonderen Bedingungen
statt. 70 Jahre lang war das Land der plumpen atheistischen
Sowjetpropaganda ausgesetzt. Sie legte dem ersten Kosmonauten
Juri Gagarin die Worte in den Mund: "Ich bin ins Weltall
geflogen, aber Gott habe ich dort nicht gesehen." Die
Evolutionslehre des Forschers Charles Darwin (1809-1882) war
Teil der materialistischen Weltanschauung. Das macht es den
Kreationisten einfach, die Evolutionstheorie als Relikt der
Sowjetideologie zu entlarven.
Die Illusionen der Darwinisten
Der Mensch stammt nicht vom Affen ab das ist die heutige
Schulbildung. Aber das war nicht immer so. Vor siebzig Jahren
wollte der russische Geheimdienst KGB beweisen, dass es doch
einen geraden Übergang vom Affen zum Menschen gibt. Russischer
Kommunismus und Darwinismus gingen Hand in Hand. Der Beweis
für die Abstammung sollte erbracht sein, wenn eine Kreuzung
von Mensch und Affe möglich wäre.
ganze Unternehmen war so abenteuerlich wie menschenverachtend.
Die russische Wissenschaft wollte damals international vorne
liegen, nebenbei wäre das Ziel eine schlagkräftige
Armee von Affenmenschen gewesen. Also schickte Moskau ein
Team von Wissenschaftlern nach Guinea in West-Afrika, um die
Kreuzungsversuche vorzunehmen. Das Politbüro unterstützte
die Aktion unter der Leitung eines gewissen Iwanow, eingeborene
Frauen wurden als Versuchspersonen gesucht. Man fing Schimpansen,
sperrte sie in Käfige, die noch heute zu sehen sind,
und all das auf dem Gelände des Louis Pasteur-Instituts
Der Darwinismus ist die eigentliche
ideologische Wurzel des Terrorismus
meisten Menschen sind der Meinung, dass die Evolutionstheorie
zuerst von Charles Darwin vorgeschlagen wurde und auf wissenschaftlichen
Beweisen, Beobachtungen und Experimenten beruhe. Jedoch ist
Darwin weder ihr Begründer, noch stützte sich die
Theorie auf wissenschaftliche Beweise. Die Theorie besteht
ihrem Wesen nach aus einer Anpassung an ein altes Dogma, das
als die materialistische Philosophie bekannt ist. Obwohl kein
wissenschaftlicher Beweis die Evolutionstheorie stützt,
wird die Theorie blind im Namen der materialistischen Philosophie
Fanatismus hatte viele Katastrophen zur Folge, die darauf
zurückzuführen sind, dass sich mit der Verbreitung
des Darwinismus und der materialistischen Philosophie, die
vom Darwinismus unterstützt wird, die Antwort auf die
Frage "Was ist ein Mensch? "geändert hat. Menschen,
die gewöhnt sind, zu antworten: 'die Menschen wurden
von Allah erschaffen und müssen einer sittlichen Ordnung
entsprechend leben, die Er festgelegt hat', beginnen jetzt
zu denken, dass 'der Mensch zufällig entstanden und seiner
Natur nach ein Tier ist, das sich im Kampf ums Dasein entwickelt
hat', Für diese große Täuschung ist ein hoher
Preis zu zahlen. Gewalttätige Ideologien wie der Rassismus,
Faschismus und Kommunismus und viele andere grausame Weltansichten,
die auf Konflikten basieren, haben ihre ganze Stärke
aus dieser Täuschung gezogen.
Artikel behandelt das Unglück, das der Darwinismus auf
die Welt gebracht hat und deckt den Zusammenhang mit dem Terrorismus,
einem der wichtigsten globalen Probleme unserer Zeit, auf.
Mensch - Evolution oder Devolution?
Challenge to Darwinism
HUMAN DEVOLUTION: A VEDIC ALTERNATIVE TO DARWIN'S THEORY
EVOLUTIONSTHEORIE VS. INTELLIGENT DESIGN
verbieten Homepage von Wolf-Ekkehard Lönnig
Evolutionstheorie fehlen die Beweise!
Mit seinem ersten Anti-Evolutionsfilm »Hat die Bibel doch
recht« erregte der Berliner Filmproduzent
Fritz Poppenberg großes Aufsehen. Nach einmaliger
Ausstrahlung im Sender Freies Berlin (SFB) wurde der brisante
Streifen zur weiteren Ausstrahlung im ARD-Programm verboten.
Sollten Sie den Film damals also verpaßt oder nicht aufgezeichnet
haben, haben wir ihn hier für Sie auf Video organisiert. Nach
der darwinschen Evolutionslehre, die sich weltweit etabliert
hat, haben sich höhere Organismen aus den niederen Formen
des Lebens entwickelt. Doch die Beweise für diese Theorie
fehlen bis auf den heutigen Tag. Im Gegenteil: Immer mehr
Wissenschaftler sind der Meinung, daß die grundlegende Frage
nach der Herkunft des Lebens nur beantwortet werden kann,
wenn dahinter ein bewußt eingesetzter Bauplan, eine Schöpferintelligenz
angenommen werden kann. Video, 45 Minuten, 2001 http://www.kopp-verlag.de
Beyond Illusion and Doubt
A Vedic Perspective on Western Philosophy
from: Beyond Illusion and Doubt (copyright 1999 BBT)
A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada
Darwin tried to show how the origin
of living species could be fully explained by the
purely mechanical, unplanned action of natural forces. By
the process he called "natural selection," all the higher,
complex forms of life gradually evolved from more primitive
and rudimentary ones.....They try to trace the origin by means
of excavation. And they have found that gradually through
the years the animal forms are evolving toward increasingly
more complex and specialized forms.....In that process many
species, like the dinosaurs appeared, flourished, and then
disappeared forever, became extinct. Eventually primitive
apelike creatures appeared, and from them man gradually developed.
Prabhupada: Is the theory that the human body comes from
Humans and monkeys are related.
Prabhupada: Related? Everything is related……both
are now existing. Similarly, we say that at the time
the evolutionists say life began, there were human beings
They find no evidence for that.
Prabhupada: Why no evidence?
In the ground. By excavation. They find no evidence
in the ground.
Prabhupada: Is the ground the only evidence? Is
there no other evidence?...
It appears that in certain layers of earth there are remains
of apelike men --
Prabhupada: We say that we all come from God, the same
ancestor, the same father.
But surely if men were living millions of years ago, they
would have left evidence, tangible evidence, behind them.
I could see their remains.
Prabhupada: So I say that in advanced human societies
bodies are burned after death, cremated. So where does
your excavator get his bones?
But Darwin says there are many species, like dinosaurs, that
are seen to be extinct.
Prabhupada: What has he seen? He is not so powerful
that he can see everywhere or everything. His power
to see is limited, and by that limited power he cannot conclude
that one species is extinct. That is not possible.
No real scientist will accept that. After, all the senses
by which you gather knowledge are limited, so how can you
say this is finished or that is extinct? You cannot
see. You cannot search out. The earth's circumference
is twenty-five thousand miles; have you searched through all
the layers of rock and soil over the whole earth? Have
you excavated all those places?
Prabhupada: There our first
charge against Darwin is this: He says there
were no human beings millions of years ago. That is
not a fact. We now see human beings existing along with all
other species, and it should be concluded that this situation
always existed. Human life has always been there. Darwin
cannot prove that there was no human life millions of years
Darwin: Evolution in Fact
Journey of Self Discovery
Los Angeles, June 1972: Srila Prabhupada asserts
that Darwin’s theory of evolution is inconclusive and
illogical. But Darwin’s is not the only theory of evolution.
The Vedas explain that an evolutionary process governs the
progress of the soul. “We accept evolution,” Srila
Prabhupada says, “but not that the forms of the species
are changing. The bodies are all already there, but the soul
is evolving by changing bodies and by transmigrating from
one body to another.... The defect of the evolutionists is
that they have no information of the soul.”
Devotee: Darwin tried to show how the origin of living species
could be fully explained by the purely mechanical, unplanned
action of natural forces. By the process he called “natural
selection,” all the higher, complex forms of life gradually
evolved from more primitive and rudimentary ones. In a given
animal population, for example, some individuals will have
traits that make them adapt better to their environment; these
more fit individuals will survive to pass on their favorable
traits to their offspring. The unfit will gradually be weeded
out naturally. Thus a cold climate will favor those who have,
say, long hair or fatty tissue, and the species will then
gradually evolve in that direction.
Srila Prabhupada: The question is that in the development
of the body, is there any plan that a particular kind of body—with,
as you say, long hair or fatty tissue—should exist under
certain natural conditions? Who has made these arrangements?
That is the question.
Devotee: No one. Modern evolutionists ultimately base their
theory on the existence of chance variations.
Srila Prabhupada: That is nonsense. There is no such thing
as chance. If they say “chance,” then they are
nonsense. Our question remains. Who has created the different
circumstances for the existence of different kinds of animals?
Devotee: For example, a frog may lay thousands of eggs, but
out of all of them only a few may survive to adulthood. Those
who do are more fit than the others. If the environment did
not favorably select the fittest, then too many frogs—
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, frogs and many other animals lay eggs
by the hundreds. A snake gives birth to scores of snakes at
a time, and if all were allowed to exist, there would be a
great disturbance. Therefore, big snakes devour the small
snakes. That is nature’s law. But behind nature’s
law is a brain. That is our proposition. Nature’s law
is not blind, for behind it there is a brain, and that brain
is God. We learn this from the Bhagavad-gita [9.10]: mayadhyaknena
prakrtih suyate sa-caracaram. Whatever is taking place in
material nature is being directed by the Supreme Lord, who
maintains everything in order. So the snake lays eggs by the
score, and if many were not killed, the world would be overwhelmed
by snakes. Similarly, male tigers kill the cubs. The economic
theory of Malthus states that whenever there is overpopulation,
there must be an outbreak of war, epidemic, famine, or the
like to curb it. These natural activities do not take place
by chance but are planned. Anyone who says they are a matter
of chance has insufficient knowledge.
Devotee: But Darwin has a huge amount of evidence—
Srila Prabhupada: Evidence? That is all right. We also have
got evidence. Evidence must be there. But as soon as there
is evidence, there should be no talk of “chance.”
Devotee: For example, out of millions of frogs, one may happen
to be better adapted to living in the water.
Srila Prabhupada: But that is not by chance! That is by plan!
He doesn’t know that. As soon as one says “chance,”
it means his knowledge is imperfect. A man says “chance”
when he cannot explain. It is evasive. So the conclusion is
that he is without perfect knowledge and therefore unfit for
giving any knowledge. He is cheating, that’s all.
Devotee: Well, Darwin sees a “plan” or “design”
in a sense, but—
Srila Prabhupada: If he sees a plan or design, then whose
design? As soon as you recognize a design, you must acknowledge
a designer. If you see a plan, then you must accept a planner.
That he does not know.
Devotee: But the “plan” is only the involuntary
working of nature.
Srila Prabhupada: Nonsense. There is a plan. The sun rises
daily according to exact calculation. It does not follow our
calculation; rather, we calculate according to the sun. Experiencing
that in such-and-such season the sun rises at such-and-such
time, we learn that according to the season the sun rises
exactly on the minute, the second. It is not by whimsy or
chance but by minute plan.
Devotee: But can’t you say it’s just mechanical?
Srila Prabhupada: Then who made it mechanical? If something
is mechanical, then there must be a mechanic, a brain, who
made the machine. Here is something mechanical [Srila Prabhupada
points to a Telex machine]: Who made it? This machine has
not come out by itself. It is made of iron, and the iron did
not mold itself into a machine; there is a brain who made
the machine possible. So everything in nature has a plan or
design, and behind that plan or design is a brain, a very
Devotee: Darwin tried to make the appearance and disappearance
of living forms seem so natural and involuntary that God is
removed from the picture. Evolutionary theory makes it appear
as if combinations of material ingredients created life, and
then various species evolved one from another naturally.
Srila Prabhupada: That is foolishness. Combination means God.
God is combining. Combination does not take place automatically.
Suppose I am cooking. There are many ingredients gathered
for cooking, but they do not combine together by themselves.
I am the cooker, and in cooking I combine together ghee, spices,
rice, dal, and so on; and in this way, nice dishes are produced.
Similarly, the combination of ingredients in nature requires
God. Otherwise how does the moment arise in which the combination
takes place? Do you place all the ingredients in the kitchen
and in an hour come back and say, “Oh, where is my meal?”
Nonsense! Who will cook your meal? You’ll starve. But
take help of a living being, and then we’ll cook and
we can eat. This is our experience. So if there is combination,
then who is combining? They are fools not to know how combination
Devotee: Scientists now say life arose out of four basic elements:
carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen.
Srila Prabhupada: If the basic principle is chemicals, who
made the chemicals? That question should be asked.
Devotee: Isn’t it possible that one day science will
discover the source of these chemicals?
Srila Prabhupada: There is no question of discovering: the
answer is already known, although it may not be known to you.
We know. The Vedanta says, janmady asya yatah: the original
source of everything is Brahman, Krnna. Krnna says, aham sarvasya
prabhavo mattah sarvam pravartate: “I am the origin
of everything.” [Bhagavad-gita 10.8] So we know that
there is a big brain who is doing everything. We know. The
scientists may not know; that is their foolishness.
Devotee: They might say the same thing about us.
Srila Prabhupada: No, they cannot say the same thing about
us. We accept Krnna, but not blindly. Our predecessors, the
great acaryas and learned scholars, have accepted Krnna as
the origin of everything, so we are not following blindly.
We claim that Krnna is the origin, but what claim can the
scientist make? As soon as he says “chance,” it
means that he has no knowledge. We don’t say “chance.”
We have an original cause; but he says chance. Therefore he
has no knowledge.
Devotee: They try to trace back the origin by means of excavation.
And they have found that gradually through the years the animal
forms are evolving toward increasingly more complex and specialized
forms, from invertebrates to fishes, then to amphibians, then
to reptiles and insects, to mammals and birds, and finally
to humans. In that process many species, like the dinosaurs,
appeared, flourished, and then disappeared forever, became
extinct. Eventually, primitive apelike creatures appeared,
and from them man gradually developed.
Srila Prabhupada: Is the theory that the human body comes
from the monkeys?
Devotee: Humans and monkeys are related. They come from the
Srila Prabhupada: Related? Everything is related; that is
another thing. But if the monkey body is developing into a
human body, then why, after the human body is developed, doesn’t
the monkey species cease to exist?
Devotee: The humans and the monkeys are branches of the same
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, and both are now existing. Similarly,
we say that at the time the evolutionists say life began,
there were human beings existing.
Devotee: They find no evidence for that.
Srila Prabhupada: Why no evidence?
Devotee: In the ground. By excavation. They find no evidence
in the ground.
Srila Prabhupada: Is the ground the only evidence? Is there
no other evidence?
Devotee: The only evidence they accept is the testimony of
Srila Prabhupada: But they still cannot prove that there was
no human being at the time they say life originated. They
cannot prove that.
Devotee: It appears that in certain layers of earth there
are remains of apelike men—
Srila Prabhupada: Apelike men or manlike apes are still existing
now, alongside human beings. If one thing has been developed
by the transformation of another thing, then that original
thing should no longer be in existence. When in this way a
cause has produced its effect, the cause ceases to exist.
But in this case we see that the cause is still present, that
there are still monkeys and apes.
Devotee: But monkeys did not cause men; both came from the
same common ancestor. That is their account.
Srila Prabhupada: We say that we all come from God, the same
ancestor, the same father. The original father is Krnna. As
Krnna says in the Bhagavad-gita [14.5], sarva-yoninu kaunteya:
“Of as many forms as there are,...” aham bija-pradah
pita: “I am the seed-giving father.” So what is
your objection to this?
Devotee: Well, if I examine the layers of earth, I find in
the deepest layers no evidence—
Srila Prabhupada: You are packed up with layers of earth,
that’s all. That is the boundary of your knowledge.
But that is not knowledge; there are many other evidences.
Devotee: But surely if men were living millions of years ago,
they would have left evidence, tangible evidence, behind them.
I could see their remains.
Srila Prabhupada: So I say that in human society bodies are
burned after death, cremated. So where does your excavator
get his bones?
Devotee: Well, that’s possible, but—
Srila Prabhupada: According to our Vedic system, the body
is burned to ashes after death. Where, therefore, would the
rascal get the bones? Animals are not burned; their bones
remain. But human beings are burned, and therefore they cannot
find their bones.
Devotee: I’m just saying that it appears, through layer
after layer of deposits in the earth, that biological forms
tend to progress from simple and primitive forms to more and
more complex and specialized ones, until finally civilized
Srila Prabhupada: But at the present moment both simple and
complex forms are existing. One did not develop into the other.
For example, my childhood body has developed into my adult
body, and the child’s body is no longer there. So if
the higher, complex species developed from the simpler, lower
species, then we should see no simple species. But all species
are now existing simultaneously.
When I see all 8,400,000 species of life existing, what is
the question of development? Each species exists now, and
it existed long ago. You might not have seen it, but you have
no proper source of knowledge. You might have missed it. That
is another thing.
Devotee: But all the evidence shows otherwise. Five hundred
million years ago there were no land animals; there were only
Srila Prabhupada: That is nonsense. You cannot give a history
of five hundred million years! Where is the history of five
hundred million years? You are simply imagining. You say “historical
evidence,” but where is your evidence? You cannot give
a history for more than three thousand years, and you are
speaking about five hundred million. This is all nonsense.
Devotee: If I dig far into the ground, layer by layer—
Srila Prabhupada: By dirt you are calculating five hundred
million years? It could be ten years. You cannot give the
history of human society past three thousand years, so how
can you speak of four hundred or five hundred million years
ago? Where were you then? Were you there, so you can say that
all these species were not there? This is imagination. In
this way everyone can imagine and say some nonsense.
We accept evolution, but not that the forms of the species
are changing. The bodies are all already there, but the soul
is evolving by changing bodies and by transmigrating from
one body to another. I have evolved from my childhood body
to my adult body, and now my childhood body is extinct. But
there are many other children. Similarly, all the species
are now existing simultaneously, and they were all there in
For example, if you are traveling in a train, you find first
class, second class, third class; they are all existing. If
you pay a higher fare and enter the first-class carriage,
you cannot say, “Now the first class is created.”
It was always existing. So the defect of the evolutionists
is that they have no information of the soul. The soul is
evolving, transmigrating, from one compartment to another
compartment, simply changing place. The Padma Purana says
that there are 8,400,000 species of life, and the soul evolves
through them. This evolutionary process we accept: the soul
evolves from aquatics to plants, to insects, to birds, to
animals, and then to the human forms. But all these forms
are already there. They do not change. One does not become
extinct and another survive. All of them are existing simultaneously.
Devotee: But Darwin says there are many species, like dinosaurs,
that are seen to be extinct.
Srila Prabhupada: What has he seen? He is not so powerful
that he can see everywhere or everything. His power to see
is limited, and by that limited power he cannot conclude that
one species is extinct. That is not possible. No scientist
will accept that. After all, all the senses by which you gather
knowledge are limited, so how can you say this is finished
or that is extinct? You cannot see. You cannot search out.
The earth’s circumference is twenty-five thousand miles;
have you searched through all the layers of rock and soil
over the whole earth? Have you excavated all those places?
Srila Prabhupada: Therefore our first charge against Darwin
is this: He says there were no human beings millions of years
ago. That is not a fact. We now see human beings existing
along with all other species, and it should be concluded that
this situation always existed. Human life has always been
there. Darwin cannot say there was no human life.
Devotee: We don’t see any dinosaurs existing.
Srila Prabhupada: You do not see because you have no power
to see. Your senses are very limited, so what you see or don’t
see cannot be authoritative. So many people—the majority
of people—say, “I don’t see God.”
Shall we accept, then, that there is no God? Are we crazy
for being devotees of God?
Devotee: No, but dinosaurs—
Srila Prabhupada: But simply by dinosaurs being missing you
cannot make your case. What about all the other species?
Devotee: Many, many others are also extinct.
Srila Prabhupada: Say I accept that many are extinct—because
the evolutionary process means that as an earlier species
gradually changes into a later species, the earlier vanishes,
becomes extinct. But we see that many monkeys are still here.
Man evolved from the simians, but simians have not disappeared.
Monkeys are here, and men are here.
Devotee: But still I’m not convinced. If we make geological
investigations all over the world, not just here and there,
but in many parts of the world, and in every case we find
the same thing—
Srila Prabhupada: But I say you have not studied all over
the world. Has Darwin studied all the continents on this planet?
Has he gone down into the depths of the seas and there excavated
all the layers of the earth? No. So his knowledge is imperfect.
This is the relative world, and here everyone speaks with
relative knowledge. Therefore we should accept knowledge from
a person who is not within this relativity.
Devotee: Actually, Darwin hit upon his theory because of what
he observed on his voyage in 1835 to the Galapagos Islands,
off the coast of South America. He found there species that
exist nowhere else.
Srila Prabhupada: That means he has not seen all the species.
He has not traveled all over the universe. He has seen one
island, but he has not seen the whole creation. So how can
he determine what species exist and don’t exist? He
has studied one part of this earth, but there are many millions
of planets. He has not seen all of them; he has not excavated
the depths of all the planets. So how can he conclude, “This
is nature”? He has not seen everything, nor is it possible
for any human being to see everything.
Devotee: Let’s just confine ourselves to this planet.
Srila Prabhupada: No, why should we? Nature is not only on
Devotee: Because you said that on this planet there were complex
forms of living beings millions and millions of years ago.
Srila Prabhupada: We are not talking about this planet, but
about anywhere. You are referring to nature. Nature is not
limited or confined to this planet. You cannot say that. Nature,
material nature, includes millions of universes, and in each
and every universe there are millions of planets. If you have
studied only this planet, your knowledge is insufficient.
Devotee: But you said before that millions of years ago on
this planet there were horses, elephants, civilized men—
Srila Prabhupada: Yes, yes.
Devotee: But from hundreds of different sources there is no
Srila Prabhupada: I say they are existing now—men, horses,
snakes, insects, trees. So why not millions of years ago?
Devotee: Because there is no evidence.
Srila Prabhupada: That doesn’t mean... ! You limit your
study to one planet. That is not full knowledge.
Devotee: I just want to find out for the time being about—
Srila Prabhupada: Why the time being? If you are not perfect
in your knowledge, then why should I accept your theory? That
is my point.
Devotee: Well, if you claim that millions of years ago there
were complex forms of life on this planet—
Srila Prabhupada: Whether on this planet or on another planet,
that is not the point. The point is that all species exist
and keep on existing by the arrangement of nature. We learn
from the Vedic texts that there are 8,400,000 species established.
They may be in your neighborhood or they may be in my neighborhood—the
number and types are fixed. But if you simply study your neighborhood,
it is not perfect knowledge. Evolution we admit. But your
evolutionary theory is not perfect. Our theory of evolution
is perfect. From the Vedas we know that there are 8,400,000
forms of bodies provided by nature, but the soul is the same
in all, in spite of the different types of body. There is
no change in the soul, and therefore the Bhagavad-gita [5.18]
says that one who is wise, a pandita, does not see the species
or the class; he sees oneness, equality. Panditah sama-darsinah.
One who sees to the bottom sees the soul, and he does not
find there any difference between all these species.
Devotee: So Darwin and other material scientists who have
no information about the soul—
Srila Prabhupada: They’re missing the whole point.
Devotee: They say that all living things tend to evolve from
lower to higher. In the history of the earth—
Srila Prabhupada: That may be accepted. For example, in an
apartment building there are different kinds of apartments:
first-class apartments, second-class apartments, third-class
apartments. According to your desire and qualification, as
you are fit to pay the rent, you are allowed to move up to
the better apartments. But the different apartments are already
there. They are not evolving. The residents are evolving by
moving to new apartments as they desire.
Devotee: As they desire.
Srila Prabhupada: Yes. According to our mentality at the time
of death, we get another “apartment,” another
body. But the “apartment” is already there, not
that I’m creating the “apartment.”
And the classes of “apartments” are fixed at 8,400,000.
Just like the hotel-keeper: he has experience of his customers
coming and wanting different kinds of facilities. So he has
made all sorts of accommodations to oblige all kinds of customers.
Similarly, this is God’s creation. He knows how far
a living entity can think, so He has made all these different
species accordingly. When God thinks, “Come on, come
here,” nature obliges. Prakrteh kriyamanani gunaih karmani
[Bhagavad-gita 3.27]: Nature is offering facility. God, Krnna,
is sitting in the heart of the living entity as Paramatma,
and He knows, “He wants this.” So the Lord orders
nature, “Give him this apartment,” and nature
obliges: “Yes, come on; here is your apartment.”
This is the real explanation.
Devotee: I understand and accept that. But I’m still
puzzled as to why there is no geological evidence that in
former times on this planet there were more complex forms.
Srila Prabhupada: Why are you taking geological evidence as
final? Is it final? Science is progressing. You cannot say
it is final.
Devotee: But I have excavated all parts of the world, and
Srila Prabhupada: No. You have not excavated all parts of
Devotee: Well, on seven continents.
Srila Prabhupada: Seven continents is not the whole world.
You say you have excavated the whole world, but we say no,
not even an insignificant portion. So your knowledge is limited.
Dr. Frog has examined his three-foot-wide well, and now he
claims to know the ocean.
Experimental knowledge is always imperfect, because one experiments
with imperfect senses. Therefore, scientific knowledge must
be imperfect. Our source of knowledge is different. We do
not depend on experimental knowledge.
Now you see no dinosaurs, nor have I seen all the 8,400,000
different forms of life. But my source of knowledge is different.
You are an experimenter with imperfect senses. I have taken
knowledge from the perfect person, who has seen everything,
who knows everything. Therefore, my knowledge is perfect.
Say, for example, that I receive knowledge from my mother:
“Here is your father.” But you are trying to search
out your father on your own. You don’t go to your mother
and ask; you just search and search. Therefore, no matter
how much you search, your knowledge will always remain imperfect.
Devotee: And your knowledge says that millions of years ago
there were higher forms of life on this planet.
Srila Prabhupada: Oh, yes, because our Vedic information is
that the first created being is the most intelligent, the
most intellectual person within the universe—Lord Brahma,
the cosmic engineer. So how can we accept your theory that
intellect develops by evolution? We have received our Vedic
knowledge from Brahma, who is so perfect.
Dr. Frog has studied his three-foot well, his little reservoir
of water. The Atlantic Ocean is also a reservoir of water,
but there is a vast difference. Dr. Frog cannot inform us
about the Atlantic Ocean. But we take knowledge from the one
who has made the Atlantic Ocean. So our knowledge is perfect.
Devotee: But wouldn’t there be evidence in the earth,
Srila Prabhupada: Our evidence is intelligence, not stones
and bones. Our evidence is intelligence. We get Vedic information
by disciplic succession from the most intelligent. It is coming
down by sruti, hearing. Vyasadeva heard from Narada, Narada
heard from Brahma—millions and millions of years ago.
Millions and millions of our years pass, and it is not even
one day for Brahma. So millions and billions and trillions
of years are not very astonishing to us, for that is not even
one day of Brahma. But Brahma was born of Krnna, and intelligent
philosophy has been existing in our universe from the date
of Brahma’s birth. Brahma was first educated by God,
and His knowledge has been passed down to us in the Vedic
literature. So we get such intelligent information in the
But those so-called scientists and philosophers who do not
follow this system of descending knowledge, who do not accept
knowledge thus received from higher authorities—they
can’t have any perfect knowledge, no matter what research
work they carry out with their blunt senses. So whatever they
say, we take it as imperfect.
Our method is different from theirs. They are searching after
dead bones, and we are searching after living brains. This
point should be stressed. They are dealing with dead bones,
and we are dealing with living brains. So which should be